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September 7, 2012

6 changes in mutual funds done by SEBI recently – Good or bad ?

Recently, SEBI has made some of the biggest changes in mutual fund regulations to revive the mutual fund industry.  Some of the measures which are made are said to be helping AMCs and distributors more than investors. We will look at 6 major changes done in the meeting and the full detailed circular will come in few days.

Mutual Funds changes by SEBI

1. Higher expense Ratio allowed

Do you know that close to 45% of mutual funds money comes just from Mumbai? Around 87% of AUM in mutual funds comes from top 15 cities in India, which means that only a minuscule 13% of the mutual funds money belongs to small cities in India. Penetration in other parts of country is very, very small and not encouraging. Now SEBI has proposed to increase the Expense ratio by 30 basis points (0.3%) if the mutual funds are able to increase their reach to smaller towns in India and increase their contribution to 30% . In short, if a mutual funds is able to get more than 30% of its AUM from other than top 15 cities in India, they can charge a 30 basis points expense ratio higher than its current expense ratio. Lower contribution means proportionately lower expense ratios.

The big effect, is that now there will be higher expense ratio for everyone. So inflow from smaller cities will affect investors from bigger cities. Investors from big cities will have to bear the burden of increased expense ratio.

2. No internal limits in Expense Ratio

A very big change which goes in favor of AMCs is the removal of internal limits on the expense ratio and for what it can be used. Earlier there was a limit on the AMC to charge up to 2.5% expense ratio (up to 100 crores AUM), but it was allowed to charge only 1.25% as Fund Management Charge and 0.5% as distribution charges. The rest was taken as their profits.  So earlier suppose a Mutual Fund charged 2.25% as the expense ratio, then they compulsorily had to allocate 1.25% as Fund Management Charge and 0.5% for distribution.

But now, that sum limit has been removed and mutual funds are allowed to allocate expenses the way they want. This means you can now see more advertisements, more commissions to the distributors and more aggressive selling. While this is a very big change which will make AMCs happy, they will still have to keep a check on the expense ratio because of competition from other AMCs.

3. Putting Exit Loads back into the scheme

You must be wondering what happened to exit loads earlier, where did it go? When a investor got out of a mutual funds , he was charged an exit load if he quit before 1 year. That money was not transferred back to mutual fund, nor was it the profit of the mutual fund. It was actually transferred to a separate fund, which was used for sales, distribution and marketing. But now, when a investors exits prematurely, the entire exit load money will be credited back to the scheme account and will not be treated as AMC profit. However an equal amount (capped at 20 basis points) can be included in expense ratio back to compensate the AMC loss due to outgoing investors, which means that overall, for the investors on one hand,  the AUM gets increased (NAV increased marginally because of exit load money coming back to them), while at the same time they’re paying more in expense ratios, so the net effect of this would be, no gain no loss to both the parties.

4. Direct Plans with lower expense ratio

SEBI has directed that for each mutual fund, there has to be a equivalent Direct Plan with a lower expense ratio. So for every mutual fund XYZ, now you will see XYZ and XYZ-Direct options. So XYZ will come with higher expense ratio, and XYZ-Direct will have lower expense ratio. Many people who research mutual funds and like to buy it on their own directly from AMC by passing agents and other online distributors, this option will be cheaper and makes sense. However, many distributors are not happy with this move and think this will “kill” their business, all because investors will then just invest into the direct options.

Note, SEBI has not yet clarified by how much lower, the expense ratio of the Direct plans will be and if it will be mandatory for each and every plan or just some categories. We’ll need to wait for the final circular, to find out.

5. Financial Advisers and Distributors separation

Very soon, financial advisor regulation will come into effect. This means, now there will be some minimum qualification, registration and guidelines for financial advisers. They will have to register with SEBI and a separate body of regulators will soon be created for this. A financial advisor is a professional who advises his clients on investments for a “fee.” The important distinction being, he wont be able to earn any money from commissions by selling financial products. If a person wants to sell financial products and earn commissions out of it, then he will not be able to “advise” the clients. But CA, MBA, and several other professionals are kept out of this rule and even mutual fund agents who have a valid ARN code are kept out of this rule because their basic advice is seen as the extention of their work. There is still more clarity required on this, so don’t conclude anything yet.

What does it mean finally ?

If you are wondering what it means overall in single sentence, then it means increased costs (expense ratio) and lower returns for investors, but it may not be that bad as you think. Dhirendra Kumar of Valueresearchonline feels that the expense ratio increase will be in range of 0.1% to 0.4% range.

All in all, investors could see a 0.1 to 0.4 per cent increase in the fee that they effectively pay to have their funds managed. Any increase ends up reducing the returns that funds generate but all in all, this has been a deftly managed round of reforms that could get a decent bang for the buck.

Lets see all the changes and what effect it had finally on different aspects

 

Criteria Before Now
Expense Ratio Charged Maximum 2.5% allowed (depending on the AUM) Now additional 30 basis points is allowed if the fresh inflow’s from smaller towns
Internal Limits on Expense Ratio Internal Limits of 1.25% for Fund Management Charges, 0.5% for distribution costs No internal limits now
Where did Exit Load go ? Earliar it went to a seperate fund used for marketing and sales Will be added back to Scheme AUM, but will not benefit investors because of equivalent increase in expense ratio (limited to 20 basis points)
Direct Scheme of Mutual Funds Earliar there was no distinction between a investment made by agent or directly with AMC A new category called “Direct” will be introduced which will have a lower expense ratio.
Service Tax Borne by AMC Borne by Investors
Distinction between Adviser and Distributor There was no distinction earlier The regulations are now coming in . Advisor and Distributer will be separated.

 

What do you think about these changes ? Which changes do you think are in favor of investors and which are against them. How will this affect your investments in mutual funds in coming months and years ? Are you happy about these changes ?

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karthik
karthik
8 years ago

Sir,
I want an update on investment in these SIP, whether it could better to swtich or exit or hold on

Rs, 500
HDFC-Equity, HDFC-Top 200, HDFC Prudence, HDFC Midcap, UTI Dividened Yield, UTI MNC, UTI Midcap, BSP Black Rock Micro Cap, BNP Paribas Midcap, Tata Midcap, SBI Midcap

Rs 1000
Quantumn Long Term, SBI Blue Chip, SBI Gold fund, Canara Robeco Emgering Equities, Birla Dividened Yield Plus, Birla MNC Fund

Please do give your feedback.

Thanks

krups
krups
8 years ago

Hello Manish,

Pls advise on the below below listed portfolio. whether should I keep continuation with the same or switch is required.

1. ICICI top 200 G – 2000
2. ICICI pru large select cap G – 2000
3. ICICI value discovery fund G – 2000
4. Franklin India smaller companies fund G – 2000
5. Sundaram Smile fund reg G- 2000
6. IDFC premier fund G- 2000
7.IDFC sterling equity fund G- 2000
8. Reliance banking fund G- 50000 Lumpsome
9. Birla sunlife manufacturing equity G- 50000LUMPsome
10. ICICI top 200 / Pru select fund G – 25000 each lumpsome
11. reliance growth switch to reliance equity opportunity G – 3,00,000 /-
12. HDFC top 200 switch to HDFC mid cap opportunity fund – 1,00,000/-

Pls advise on the above mentioned portfolio which is been started March 2014

vijay pendse
vijay pendse
11 years ago

Wise people who research mutual funds and like to buy it on their own directly from AMC by passing agents and other online distributors, for them Direct option will be cheaper and makes sense.
For your hard earned money investing after study of all options and then selecting , constant monitoring, changing portfolio etc. is a process that pays. I have been investing directly in the name of broker but now I will invest directly and get benifit of low expense ratio resulting better returns.
Direct investment will be best in long run and does not require much time for comparative study when so many websites are there to help us.
Go for DIRECT mode only.

Srikanth Matrubai
Srikanth Matrubai
11 years ago

As usual, the “experts” have started advocating of going direct to Mutual Funds bypassing the Advisors.

Was in ICICI AMC office the other day regarding a query.
A walk in customer comes in and asks for “Direct Plan Details”.
The clerk at the Reception said “yes sir, Direct is good, NAV is very cheap and you will make huge profit”.
Customer : “I want to invest in International Fund, which is the Best”?
The Clerk “sir, ICICI is the BEST in the industry. You can blindly go for the same. Come sir, I will help you fill the application”.
I could only laugh at the ignorance of both the clerk and the customer.
ICICI Indo Asia Fund which the clerk was referring to…….is not even in the list of Top International funds according to Valueresearch list and the Fund has been, in fact, listed under EQUITY – LARGE CAP and the clerk had the audacity to recommend this Fund as a International Fund.
Of course, the Clerk obviously will not recommend his rivals fund such as L&T Global Real Assets fund or the DSP BLACKROCK Natural Resources and New Energy Fund.
Expect more of such Non-sense recommendations when you go DIRECT!!

Puneet
Puneet
11 years ago

Has anyone been successful in updating their address in MFs using the KYC process? Wasn’t the convenience of having to change address only at one office one of main points for promoting KYC? I’ve heard of long delays of 3-4 months in getting KYC Verified, but the address updates are not even happening at all (when KYC was launched, they advertised that the new address would be updated in all MFs within 10 business days). It has been 10 months, I’ve got the KYC Verified letter with my new address, but the MF records are still showing the old address. I’ve written more than 20 letters to MF/CAMS/Karvy. Who on earth is responsible for updating the address in MFs?

sadashiv kashyap
sadashiv kashyap
11 years ago

one of the best thing with qantum mutual fund …they hav only one registored office , they hav no sales manager arround pan india so thier expenses are very lower , they earn good return and distribute more n more return…..with thier customer i hav personaly expierience they r fully commited n customer centric org. they r not increasing thier exp. ratio…..only good adviser will survive ………..in future….

sindhu102
sindhu102
12 years ago

Hi Manish,

The new regulations have come into effect from Oct 1, 2012. So do we know what or how much would be be the benefit for an investor if we do direct investments through AMC itself by eliminating the agent/broker.

Deep
Deep
12 years ago

The ‘DIRECT” plan is the only good move in the favour of invester.If a person is not seeking portfolio advice why should he pay for it?If i am just doing transaction on my one i will do it with AMC directly why have a broker in between.

Jitendra
Jitendra
12 years ago

Hi Manish,

I was planning to invest in few equity mutual funds (1. HDFC Top 200 –G,
2. HDFC equity,
3. DSPBR top 100 equity – G’
4. Fidelity equity,
5. Franklin India Blue-chip) through SIP, for a long time.

Would you please advise if this would be right Decision to invest in current market condition and also after above 6 changes in MFs from SEBI?

Awaiting your valuable reply.

Thanks,
Jitendra

Jitendra
Jitendra
Reply to  Jagoinvestor
12 years ago

Thanks Manish,

Again, are these the best funds to invest ? OR should I replace any with other better if any?

-Jitendra

lpt
lpt
12 years ago

Charging the investors in the city to popularise MFs in the smaller towns is essentially a cross subsidy.
The average mutual fund will not beat the benchmark. Add 2.5% p.a expenses to that and one is looking at huge loss when compounded over a 20-30 year period. Much better to invest in index funds and ETFs.

Dinesh
Dinesh
Reply to  lpt
12 years ago

As I understand the “Expense Ratio” of 0.3% additional is only for small town investors. The top 15 towns are not affected by this. Hence no question of cross subsidy.

vasudevn
vasudevn
12 years ago

Why SEBI wants the fund houses, agents, distributors fattier at the cost of the poor investors, I cannot under stand. SEBI is supposed to be standing for the investors these reforms are made not for investors but for the big fund houses, distributors and agents whose commission will increase. They can expense any amount and deduct the expense from the poor investor’s investment without any commitment of any returns at all. The poor investor who became already poor because of joining the MF will become poorer still. Only one way out is “Do not invest in any Mutual Fund at all”
Kudos! SEBI what a great watch Dog are you? “Barking at the Master instead of the theif”

sindhu102
sindhu102
12 years ago

Will the MF purchases made through demat account be considered as “Direct Purchase” from AMCs or will the brokerage firm in which i hold the demat will get any commission whenever i make a purchase?

Ajay Menon
Ajay Menon
Reply to  sindhu102
12 years ago

Sindhu,
It would not be considered direct and every time a purchase is made though your dmat account commissions would be paid to the company where you have a dmat account.

sindhu102
sindhu102
12 years ago

Will the MF purchases made through demat accounts be considered as “Direct Purchase” from AMCs or will the brokerage firm in which i hold the demat will get any commission whenever i make a purchase?

siddhant
siddhant
12 years ago

This is not good. I think the mutual fund industry is now going regressive way(increasing the loads Slowly) The problem is that the main lobby which benefits out of this is the BIG banks who will keep giving wrong advise to people for increasing their commission (for getting the extra commission I see them changing the Mailing address of the People to smaller cities for sure from now on ).

I think personally it makes more sense now to go direct equity or even low cost insurance route instead of this mutual fund route because of the load structure which hits me every week , but if the Direct-Mutual fund route is used reduce the Expence ratio by round 1%) then it would make sense to go for mutual funds

siddhant
siddhant
Reply to  Jagoinvestor
12 years ago

So effectivelly what we are now saying is that the Current Mutual Fund Schemes exist only because the Middle man has to be paid is it not?, that is a scary thought, indeed.

When the DIRECT funds come in I do not understand why the other scheme would exist in this scenario, Because the advisor will have to be paid seperatelly as per the rules, so then who gets paid out of the loads?? only the banks & some bigshot with platforms.

Why is it that the risks are getting higher & higher everyday, but rewards are not increasing, we are now in dangerous times, really dangerous times.

Nilufer
Nilufer
Reply to  Jagoinvestor
12 years ago

Then what do we do with our already existing SIPs taken through agents like Funds India… will we need to close them down… if yes, it is we who will be in a loss for closing down an already running SIP… and if no, then we will have to pay more on every instalment of SIP… please confirm, Manish…

shinu
shinu
12 years ago

Hi Manish

When and how the 15 cities are ranked?
is it the permanent adress of the investor looked up for his city of residance?
is it the bank location of the investor looked up for his city of residance?
is it the ARN location of the investor looked up for his city of residance?

Arent there no differentiation between the existing and new investors on the above new rules?
How is Fundsindia / fundsindia investors going to treated in all these new rules?

Smitha
Smitha
Reply to  shinu
12 years ago

The address registered in KYC (CVC) determines whether an investor belongs to 15 cities or not.

Ajay Menon
Ajay Menon
Reply to  Smitha
12 years ago

Smitha,

There is no much clarity on what and how the cities would be categorized. We have to wait for the clarification from SEBI

Smitha
Smitha
Reply to  Ajay Menon
12 years ago

SEBI has clarified that these 15 cities are not per-specified. AMFI will publish the list of top 15 cities, which may change either go out of the list or move up the list depending on the total new AUM generated.

manyam
manyam
12 years ago

Surely not a investor friendly move.. Surely this is not the way, if they really want to encourage the investors from small and medium cities. Funny thing is small investors will run away with above reforms .. Already most of the bigger AMC’s are charging higher Expense Ratio.. Another hidden thief are lower Re-purchaser Values on NAV by AMCs.. Btw, it is always to good to invest directly with AMC for MFs instead of via Agents.. If true advise or finance education required, may good to go to some personal financial paid services instead of blindly following Agents.

Best Regards
Manyam

manyam
manyam
Reply to  Jagoinvestor
12 years ago

90% of the times distributor recommendations are not professional ones. I can say they are misleading the investors instead of good advises to Investors. Best example are UTI MF Distributors, they are just like another LIC agents, they do almost all company insurances and also all AMC Mutual Funds as well.

So Agents are required to sell their products but not like current situation (most of the agents don’t know the fundamentals of MF working they just want to sell their products like other insurance or ULIP products), they have to be more knowledgeable to empower the investor’s knowledge to invest in their product.

sanjeev thareja
sanjeev thareja
Reply to  manyam
12 years ago

i feel sorry about your experiance about the distributors, but i would like if u would not generalise the statement.

Regards
sanjeev

Ajay Menon
Ajay Menon
Reply to  manyam
12 years ago

The general statement on professionalism of all mutual fund advisors/agents cannot be question marked. There are few who may be categorized as ill equipped but one cannot judge an entire fraternity based on just few members wrong or misjudged deeds.

Ajay Menon
Ajay Menon
Reply to  Jagoinvestor
12 years ago

Manish,
I believe our market is not matured enough to go on without distributors. If we say there are good websites where you get to know good funds, but sadly many known websites keep changing the rankings of funds in every three months. So as a standalone investor… he gets confused. The ranking of the funds keep on changing based on a quantity parameter majorly.
For a quality advise you need to rely on advisor(QUALITY ADVISOR).
As far as SEBI they are making advisorship altogether difficult.
Ajay

manyam
manyam
Reply to  Ajay Menon
12 years ago

But unfortunately that is truth and 90% of such agents are in small cities are like that only.. One of my relative got similar victim for “UTI Infrastructure Fund” advised by some friend Agent. I asked him on curiacity, on what basis you suggested that fund.. He replied, Infrastructure fund is like investing in real estate so very good and I have lot of those application forms as well. I asked him again, you suggested my uncle 1 back for 40K investment in it, now its value is 30K+, do u think that is well performing fund? Then he replied, Mutual Funds that to real estate fund need to wait for min 10 Years then only good returns will come.. this is kind of professional analysis given by an agent.. that is the main reason for participation is very less from small cities and they believe mainly Bank FD/Post Office and LIC..

Santosh
Santosh
12 years ago

New customers are needed for the betterment of mutual fund industry, therefore the new guidelines of SEBI would direct AMC’s to go for smaller cities and towns. But will the retail investment will be cheap in the smaller towns and cities ? Will the expense ratio will be less as compared to the metros?
Kindly clarify……

manyam
manyam
Reply to  Santosh
12 years ago

It looks like as per above matter, lower expense ration funds are for direct investors who’s are going to invest in “xyz-retail-(G)-Direct” instead of “xyz-retail-(G)”.. so they are not based on city of origin of investor.. So I don’t think this will attract the small city investors, rather keep them away from Mutual Fund Investments.

Vikrant
Vikrant
12 years ago

Hi Manish
Thanks for consildating all changes and bringing it to the notice of investors.
Its become difficult to keep track of such changes due to busy schedule.

My question is related to pt no.4 Direct Plans with lower expense ratio.

I am investing in MFs thru agent. He is not charging a single rupee for his services. Infact not charging to his customers is advantage for him to increase his customer base, hence more collection & therefore more commission. Additionally he is not forcing anyone to buy MF from him, he only suggests a good and bad fund.
I think the above change ( i.e.Direct Plans with lower expense ratio
) will impact my returns because all my investments are thru agent. I want to know in case this proposal is apporved then shall I stop all my further/future investments thru him?
Also I have to stop my existing SIPs and apply for new SIPs directly from AMC.
Kindly suggest.

Sanjeev Thareja
Sanjeev Thareja
Reply to  Jagoinvestor
12 years ago

thats means as an investor you are expecting free advice 🙂

Anupam
Anupam
12 years ago

SEBI has failed to understand that when markets are so much volatile in last 3-4 years and when it is difficult for even a disciplined investor to make any money thru MF how new investors will be attracted to invest in equities.To attract Investors to invest money, Markets will have to perform.Once they perform AUM of all mutual fund house will automatically increase.With volatility as witnessed in last 3-4 years patience is going down every passing day for even a veteran investor on top of it SEBI plans to introduce these new charges which will surely hurt all those who have faith in Mutual fund Industry.It would be laudable if SEBI also make AMC’s responsible for poor performance of fund schemes.True, AMC’s are providing service and like any other service industry they are eligible to charge their customers but then like any other service industry they should be held accountable if fund manager fails to protect interest of investors and if action on part of AMC cause loss of money to investor.Because without paying any money I can directly invest in equity but when I am paying fees to AMC I expect them to manage my money with all their expertise and not cause loss to me.

shaggy
shaggy
12 years ago

Another 6 good reasons to AVOID mutual funds…..
(typing anything more than this will be waste of everything)